Caucus: New Jersey with Steve Adubato

Program

 Caucus Up Close On Stem Cell Research

Dr. Robert P. George
Director, James Madison Program; constitutional law and jurisprudence Member, President's Counsil on Bioethics

Dr. George’s Background Information

  • Current member, President’s Commission on Bioethics.
  • Served as a presidential appointee on the US Commission on Civil Rights from 1993 – 1998.
  • He is a former Judicial Fellow at the Supreme Court of the United States, where he received the 1990 Justice Tom C. Clark Award.
  • His most recent book is The Clash of Orthodoxies, published by ISI Books.
  • D.Phil, Oxford University; JD, Harvard University; BA, Swarthmore College.
  • Dr. George will present scientific and ethical reasons why research requiring the killing of human embryos should not be conducted.

Supports Adult Stem Cell Research

  • Dr. George supports adult cell stem research from both a scientific and ethical perspective.
  • He cites successes in fat, muscle tissue, and umbilical cord blood research that are scientifically sound and present hope for curing certain diseases.

Ethical Objections to Embryonic Stem Cell Research

  • The technology involves destroying human embryos at the blasocyst stage to obtain pluripotent stem cells that can morph into other types of bodily tissue.
  • Dr. George advises that the destruction of human embryos forces consideration of the questions, “Is the human embryo a human being at an early developmental stage?” and “Is it morally legitimate to treat human beings in the embryonic stage as disposable research material?”
  • Additionally, he notes that so-called therapeutic cloning will require, hundreds of thousands of ova. His worry is that this could may lead to the exploitation of poor women, especially in developing countries who may be encouraged to submit to superovulation procedures in order to sell their eggs for money. He cautions that these procedures could subject women to significant health risks.
  • Cloning brings additional ethical considerations. Cloning enables the creation of an embryo with a controlled genetic make-up that is created to be destroyed so that its parts can be harvested. This brings up the question, “If a human being is going to die soon, why wouldn’t we want to cross the line and harvest parts from other vulnerable populations?”

Scientific Objections to Embryonic Stem Cell Research & Cloning

  • George advises that the use of “left over” frozen embryos from in-vitro fertilization is ethically dubious and of uncertain long-term scientific value.
  • Dr. George disagrees with Sen. Frist’s (TN, Maj. Leader) stand that embryos in frozen storage should be used for research. George states, “Of the 400,000 (unused embryos) less than 3% can be used for biomedical research. The parents must approve their release for use in scientific research. “Many parents that don’t have them (embryos) implanted, don’t want them destroyed” and instead are hopeful that “others may want to adopt (embryos)” George comments.
  • Additionally, he notes that scientifically these “spares” whose genetic make-up cannot be controlled – are of little significant consequence in research. Most scientists who wish to conduct embryonic research want to be able to control the genetic constitution of the embryos they are working with.
  • He advises that this lack of genetic control leads to the discussion of “therapeutic cloning” where creation of a specific embryo “takes the roulette” out of the genetic equation. Embryos are “made to order.”
  • George advises that since embryonic stem cell research deals with cells that are flexible and therefore volatile it is unlikely in the foreseeable future that embryonic stem cells will be injected into human subjects for therapeutiv purposes. The risk of tumor formation is too great.
  • Furthermore the issue of cloning also brings up additional complications that may outweigh the problem for which it has been designed. An example of this being the creation of Dolly the sheep – the sheep died prematurely from arthritis and pulmonary disease.

New Scientific Techniques on the Horizon – Non-Embryonic Entities

  • New techniques to reprogram adult cells to an embryonic cell are currently being researched and could make it possible to generate pluripotent cells without the need to kill embryos.
  • In somatic cell nuclear transfer the genetic material from an ordinary adult cell’s (i.e., skin cell) genetic core (DNA) is removed. Next, an egg cell is taken with a technique called super ovulation and the nucleus is removed. It is then replaced with the material from the somatic cell and given an electric charge – in hopes of generating an embryo that could be a source of pluripotent stem cells.
  • Another possible source of pluripotent cells would involve the artificial creation of entities resembling teratomas or complete hydatidiform moles. The somatic cell nuclear transfer procedure might be used for this purpose. If it could be perfected, we would have another possible source of pluripotent cells that would not involve the ethical problem of killing embryonic human beings. The entities created would have certain qualities that resemble embryos early on (as do teratomas and hydatidiform moles) but they would lack (as teratomas and moles do) the “development trajectory of a human being.”

Marie Tasy
Public & Legislative Affairs Director,
NJ Right to Life

In Favor of Adult Stem Cell Research

  • Tasy advises that Right to Life (RTL) is in favor of adult stem cell research.
  • She cites promising research with individuals suffering from spinal cord injury, as well as positive results using cells from muscle, fat and bone in adults.
  • Tasy advises that she supports adult stem cell research because a variety of tissue can be used and it “doesn’t mean killing the donor.”

Case Against Embryonic Stem Cell Research

  • Marie states that to date no embryonic stem cell research has been performed using human clinical trials.
  • She advises that when embryonic stem cells have been used in mice the results have yielded cancerous tumor growth, immune system rejection, and the development of abnormal cell structures.
  • RTL feels that the research claims by scientists and politicians have been exploitive and given people a false sense of hope.
  • Additionally, she notes that much of the research is being conducted with private money. She contends that taxpayers do not want to pay for this type of research.

Moral Issues Concerning Embryonic Research & Therapeutic Cloning

  • “We don’t believe that human beings should be killed for research and shouldn’t be created for the purpose of lethal destruction.”
  • When a sperm and egg meet it becomes a human being.
  • Therapeutic cloning is an “exploitation of a woman’s body.” Hundreds of eggs will be needed to run trials and it is unclear if the procedure of harvesting the eggs may have long-term harmful effects. Additionally, Tasy advises that poor women may sell their eggs to get money.

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