Caucus: New Jersey with Steve Adubato

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 Steve Adubato Talks With Dr. Anthony D’Urso and Dennis Miller

DR. ANTHONY D’URSO, PsyD.
A professor at Montclair State University’s Department of Psychology, Anthony V. D'Urso is a leading expert on child welfare who headed up a task force investigating DYFS. He also serves as Chair of the Child Fatality and Near Fatality Review Board.

  • Has been teaching at Montclair State University since 1994
  • Teaches Child and Adolescent psychopathology and consultation methods in school settings
  • First got involved in child welfare in 1982. Was at Morristown Hospital which had a child abuse program and saw that kids were not being served well and cases were poorly prepared
  • Interests include the forensic assessments of child abuse and how they are communicated to the courts
  • Has been working in this field for 21 years

Frequently Asked Questions for Dr. D'Urso:

What are some of the biggest issues facing children these days?

  • Division in society between the “ haves” and the “have nots” is becoming greater
  • Kids living in poverty are 18 times more likely to be physically assaulted, and 55 more times to be educationally neglected

What is the state of the child welfare system in New Jersey?

  • Positives:
  • Have regional diagnostic centers, Child Advocacy Centers (CACs) for investigations
  • New Jersey is one of three states to have a forensic interviewing academy to train people to interview kids from the law enforcement perspective
  • Negatives:
  • Need for more governmental responsibility
  • Need for standardized inter-governmental regulations
  • System lacks the appropriate resources
  • Need to keep the issue in front of the state at all times

How do you make sure that cases don’t fall through the cracks?

  • Focus on a case by case basis
  • Deal with the vicarious emotional trauma of the professional
  • Need more training for social workers, psychologists.
  • "Psychic numbing" of workers having 40, 50, 60 cases at once

Why is it that kids can get lost in the system? What can we do to improve the system?

  • Case load ratios
  • No guideline for investigations in terms of time limits
  • Governmental agencies need to establish uniform protocols
  • What kind of care you get depends on where you live

How did the NJ task force deal with DYFS and the recent death of the Williams boy?

  • The Fatality Board reinforced recommendations it made in annual reports
  • Called for greater accountability, review of decision making, need for ownership
  • Task force is part of transformation process.
  • Dr. D’Urso believes that the transformation process has not been open enough, and has excluded the people who provide the services.
  • Government is not great at policing itself.

Is the state government unable to sustain itself in child welfare and is there a need for a child advocate in the state? What would this child advocate do?

  • There should be a child advocate who is free to present children’s issues. The position would not function as a complaint bureau, and should have little to do with the day-to-day running of any agency.
  • The advocate would continuously present the Legislature and the Governor with the needs that kids have.

Why is the system not changing in light of repeated problems and tragic events?

  • The system is too politicized and does advance the cause of the people they represent.

DENNIS C. MILLER
President and Chief Executive Officer
Somerset Medical Center, Somerville, NJ

For more information about Somerset Medical Center, visit: http://www.smchealthwise.com/

Key Points:

Independent Hospital Versus a Hospital System

  • More advantages to having an independent hospital.
  • Makes decisions a lot quicker.
  • Closer to the community;. Creates value for the community.
  • Hospitals like Somerset have done remarkably well because they’re focused on one regional community.
  • The public does not perceive any benefits of being part of a hospital system. People just want good care.

Challenges Facing Independent Hospitals

  • Need for physician and hospital collaboration.
  • Important to create an atmosphere in which a physician likes practicing medicine; need to cultivate relationships with physicians
  • Money issues.
  • Ensuring that health is a social right or good available to everyone with no limits.
  • Many hospitals that take care of predominantly blue collar, working class patients are struggling.

The Charity Care Issue

  • No one wants to address it, although there is law that says everyone is required to have healthcare.
  • Who will pay for charity care? He believes that it's a state obligation. Currently, it is funded through an unemployment fund, but Somerset gets $0.13 on the dollar.

Malpractice Issue for Doctors

  • Part of the problem has to do with a culture of greed.
  • Need to find a balance—a victim of gross negligence needs to be compensated for pain and suffering. The question becomes how much?
  • “A weatherman is wrong once, no big deal. A doctor is wrong once, he’s sued for all he’s worth.”
  • The more knowledge the people or “consumer” has, the better. Patients aren’t coming into office with a sense of fear anymore. They ask questions, find facts about the procedures.

Labor shortage in healthcare:

  • Patients who stay in hospitals these days do so because they are VERY sick.
  • As a manager of a healthcare facility, need to remind ourselves that our employees are very valuable.
  • Make things efficient for them, take the paper work out of the job.

Final thoughts:

  • Dennis thinks it’s a very difficult time for someone to be a physician. “The perception is that doctors make a lot of money. I know a lot of them who don’t make a lot of money and live off their savings. I don’t think we want doctors to struggle. I don’t want those people who are taking care of us to struggle to stay in business. Being a physician is a noble cause, but it’s a struggle.”

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